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    Merry Christmas custom cappers, all the best for the holiday season and beyond.

    Gonna start off with the playoff scenarios for week 17 where there is still some interesting stuff going on.

    The Titans' playoff hopes increased on a Sunday in which they lost. The Patriots closed in on their 10th straight playoff bye. The Raiders' playoff odds went from "no freaking way" percent to "well, actually ..." percent.

    After a dizzying weekend of games that included the most 21st-century Dallas Cowboys game of them all, we gained a lot of clarity about the NFL's playoff picture heading into Week 17. This week's Debrief will keep it simple by laying out the current playoff seeds and what remains at stake.
    AFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

    1) Baltimore Ravens (13-2): Lamar Jackson accounted for 341 yards and three touchdowns Sunday on the way to clinching home-field advantage. The entire Browns team gained 241 yards and scored 15 points. That's a fitting conclusion to Jackson's MVP campaign, with Ravens coach John Harbaugh announcing Monday that Jackson will sit out the finale against the Steelers. Robert Griffin III will start at quarterback. Other veterans -- including guard Marshal Yanda, defensive tackle Brandon Williams, running back Mark Ingram and safety Earl Thomas -- will not play.

    2) New England Patriots (12-3): Tom Brady's first fourth-quarter comeback of the season came at the perfect time. The Patriots' win over the Bills was the team's best overall performance since Week 1 and it clinched the AFC East. It also turned the Dolphins into the most forgiving quasi-Wild Card Round opponent possible. If the Patriots beat Miami in Week 17, they will advance to the Divisional Round with a bye and a home game for the 10th straight season. Of all the silly Belichick-Brady stats out there, that's the most impressive.

    3) Kansas City Chiefs (11-4): Patrick Mahomes and friends have won five straight games with increasing ease and host the collapsing Chargers on Sunday. Kansas City would need to win against Los Angeles and hope the Patriots lose to Miami in order to move up to the No. 2 seed and skip a round of the playoffs. The Chiefs could also theoretically fall to the No. 4 seed if they lose and the Texans win their finale.

    While it's an annoying spot to be in, K.C. can't risk sitting its starters. Andy Reid could, however, pull Mahomes at some point if he sees a blowout in Foxborough while scoreboard-watching. The Chiefs are as healthy offensively as they've been all season and want to stay that way because this a championship-level team. They may just have a brutal path to the promised land.

    4) Houston Texans (10-5): Saturday's win over the Buccaneers was typical Texans. Even in a division-clinching victory, concern about Will Fuller's injury and the offense's play dimmed the excitement. The Texans have perhaps the trickiest decision of any team in Week 17. They can go all out to beat the Titans in an uphill attempt to knock out a division foe and climb to the No. 3 seed. Or Bill O'Brien could rest starters like Deshaun Watson, cracking the door wide open to Mike Vrabel for the Titans to make the AFC playoffs as the No. 6 seed.

    As of Monday, O'Brien announced that "we are playing to win" and he won't hold out starters. Considering that the Texans (who kick off at 4:25 p.m. ET on Sunday) would need the Chiefs (who kick off at 1 p.m. ET) to lose to move to No. 3, this approach may not be popular in Houston. I personally don't think it's a crazy idea to prepare to win competitive sporting events by trying to win competitive sporting events.

    5) Buffalo Bills (10-5): Sean McDermott's crew is locked into the fifth seed after a spirited loss in New England that showed the team's heart and its limitations. That means a Buffalo-Houston matchup is rather likely. Don't be surprised if Bills-Texans is the Wild Card Weekend opener on Saturday, which has turned into Houston's annual timeslot. The Bills host the Jets in Week 17 and it would make a lot of sense to rest some players with a potential short week ahead.

    6) Tennessee Titans (8-7): Perhaps a week off will help running back Derrick Henry and defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons get back on the field. All things considered, Week 16 worked out alright for the Titans, even though they lost any chance to win the division. The Texans now don't have much motivation to go all out against Tennessee on Sunday and the Titans can clinch a playoff spot with a win. Simple.

    Making the playoffs with a loss is less simple. The Titans can make the playoffs at 8-8 if the Steelers lose in Baltimore and the Colts lose in Jacksonville. Considering the way Ryan Tannehill is playing and the Titans' point differential on the season, Tennessee is the most dangerous potential 6 seed of the bunch.

    7) Pittsburgh Steelers (8-7): A once-magical run is running out of pixie dust. Pittsburgh scored 10 points for the second straight week, this time in a dispiriting loss to the Jets. The game hurt the Steelers' tiebreaks and now they need a lot of help to make the playoffs. Pittsburgh could earn the No. 6 seed with a win over the Ravens, a Titans loss, a Raiders loss and a Colts win. Essentially, the Steelers win a three-way tie at 8-8 with the Titans and Colts. They don't win a two-way tie with the Titans and they probably won't win a four-way tie with the Raiders, Colts and Titans. Got all that?

    Beating the Ravens in Baltimore may still be the toughest part of the equation, even with Lamar Jackson getting the week off. Steelers fans will remember 2004 well, when their top-seeded team with backup Tommy Maddox at quarterback knocked the Bills out of playoff contention despite sitting many starters. It's not that hard to imagine Robert Griffin III and the Ravens defense doing enough against Duck Hodges to end Pittsburgh's season.

    8) Oakland Raiders (7-8): So the Raiders needed nine things to happen to make the playoffs entering Week 16. The first five all amazingly fell into place in Week 16, giving them a somewhat-realistic scenario for sneaking into the tournament. Just keep in mind that this realistic scenario is not as simple as you think.

    Four things need to happen for the Raiders to have a chance. They need to win in Denver. They need the Titans to lose in Houston. They need the Colts to win in Jacksonville. And they need the Steelers to lose in Baltimore. None of those occurrences are far-fetched in isolation, but hitting the four-part parlay is far less likely.

    Now, here's the catch: Even if all those results happen, Oakland isn't guaranteed to make it in this four-way tie. The Raiders would still have to beat Pittsburgh on "strength of victory," a calculation they currently lead in. For Oakland to maintain that lead, the Raiders need any of the following teams to win or tie in Week 17: the Patriots, Lions, Chargers or Bears. That's a lot of detail about a scenario which isn't very likely, but can still keep Raiders fans dreaming on Christmas morning.

    The Raiders have a chance to set the record for the worst point differential for a playoff team in NFL history, so everything about the previous three paragraphs is unlikely.
    NFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

    1) San Francisco 49ers (12-3): The 49ers have a fantastic chance to close out an epic regular season in style. After knocking Sean McVay into soul-searching mode on Saturday night, they can earn home-field advantage with a victory in Seattle. The battle for the NFC West championship may be the best season finale with Al and Cris in Sunday Night Football history.

    The 49ers have been involved in every kind of game possible, have battled through an incredible array of injuries and their only three losses have come at the buzzer. With a bye on the line, the game in Seattle is like a playoff game. Win and they are the No. 1 seed. If they lose, they will travel to the NFC East champion in the Wild Card Round.

    2) Green Bay Packers (12-3): Mike Pettine and the Packers defense humiliated Kirk Cousins and friends on Monday night. The convincing win gave the Packers a 5-0 record in the NFC North and a division title. It should also lead to the Packers earning a week off.

    The Packers only have to beat David Blough and the Blough Hards in Detroit next week to clinch a bye and a home game in the Divisional Round. A 49ers loss would allow the Packers a chance to move up to the No. 1 seed. (An unlikely loss by the Saints would also clinch a bye without even beating the Lions.) It's hard to overstate how crucial Monday night's performance was. If you didn't take the Packers seriously as a Super Bowl contender until now, it's going to be increasingly hard to ignore them when they are hosting a game in the league's quarterfinals.

    3) New Orleans Saints (12-3): The Saints' incredibly impressive offensive explosion in the second half against Tennessee kept their hopes for a No. 1 seed alive, but they are growing faint after the Packers' win on Monday night. The Saints are third in line for a bye. They need the 49ers or Packers to lose to jump up a spot. They need them both to lose to get home-field advantage. After an unlucky end to last season, it would be incredibly unlucky if a 13-3 record was only good enough for a three seed.

    4) Philadelphia Eagles (8-7): Who can blame Eagles fans for starting to dream? Carson Wentz is playing his best to end the season, as the Eagles coaching staff has helped to figure out what works on a short-handed offense. If nothing else, it has to feel good to know they are tougher than the Cowboys after the Eagles' 17-9 win Sunday.

    The NFC East champion will be the No. 4 seed, hosting the Seahawks or 49ers. The Eagles will earn the spot with a win Sunday on the road against the Giants. A Cowboys home loss to the Redskins -- anything seems possible now -- would also clinch the division for Philadelphia.

    5) Seattle Seahawks (11-4): No team had a worse Sunday than the Seahawks. They lost running back Chris Carson for the season and left tackle Duane Brown to knee surgery and their dispiriting loss to the Cardinals puts a potential playoff bye at risk. All is not lost, though. Jadeveon Clowney is expected to return to the lineup, Marshawn Lynch is riding in on his white horse to create chaos and this Seahawks team is just insane enough to win against the 49ers despite being so banged-up.

    A win would give the Seahawks the NFC West title and a home game in the playoffs. If the Packers or Saints lost in Week 17 too, the Seahawks could still jump into a bye slot or possibly the top seed. Have we mentioned yet how tight the NFC is?

    6) Minnesota Vikings (10-5): Well, that was incredibly depressing. Only Luke Falk's Jets in Foxborough had fewer first downs this season than Kirk Cousins' Vikings did on Monday night against the Packers. Cousins will get a chance to make amends in the Wild Card Round, on the road, as the NFC's No. 6 seed. The Vikings have been too balanced all season to dismiss after one terrible game, but they will be underdogs no matter where they go in the playoffs. The only route to the Super Bowl will be three straight road games, which feels as likely as Mike Zimmer inviting Aaron Rodgers over for Thanksgiving next year.

    7) Dallas Cowboys (7-8): If the Eagles have proven resourceful in recent weeks, the Cowboys are as wasteful as ever. Dallas' season -- and Jason Garrett's career as head coach with the Cowboys -- will end in Week 17 unless the Cowboys can beat the fighting Callahans and get some help from Danny Dimes against Philadelphia. It's going to be a long week, possibly leading to a long offseason.

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    Thanks. Good info !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • #3
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      Some query things from other forum

      date>=20171223 and HD and line>8

      4-19 ats

      date>=20181223 and DIV and A and F and month=12 and total>=40 and total<50 and line<-3

      9-0 ats

      week = 17 and WP < o:WP and F,D and wins > 4 and p:points < 27

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      • #4
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        2 very basic week 17 SDQL's, compare the list of teams, the ones that fit both are pretty strong plays this week IMO. Both are entire database inclusive which I LOVE.

        https://killersports.com/nfl/query?s...+S+D+Q+L+%21++

        https://killersports.com/nfl/query?s...+S+D+Q+L+%21++
        "The sheer unpredictability of sports is what makes it predictable." Who the hell bets units? I bet money...

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        • #5
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          Thanks Jack. This is what this query looked like before I got rid of the lines and added F,D.


          week = 17 and WP < o:WP and line < 5.5 and line >= -6 and wins > 4 and p:points < 27


          How'd you come up with those exact same lines, is this a killersports trend from their site or something. I do however love what you've done with it and the 2nd complimentary offering. Good stuff thanks

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          • #6
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            I had one of those saved in my browser favorites(the one with the win %'s) and the other was in this week's Killersports
            "The sheer unpredictability of sports is what makes it predictable." Who the hell bets units? I bet money...

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            • #7
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              Jack maybe you could help me with this which I talked about in rolltides thread on the Packers game this week which doesn't give the same results:

              team=Packers and F and p:AW and pP:W and pP:season=season

              12-0 suats which is nice but I'm not a big fan of team specific trends that span 30 years, I just don't see the relevancy for some reason. Also I don't understand the pP:W and pP:season which they say is same season revenge for the losing team, why not just P:W and P:season=season

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              • #8
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                the pP:W and pP:season means last week's game was a revenge game for their opponent. The query is for a team that is coming off a road win which swept the season series.
                "The sheer unpredictability of sports is what makes it predictable." Who the hell bets units? I bet money...

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                • #9
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                  pP:W
                  p=last game
                  P:W = beat opponent last time they played

                  Duh !

                  Ok got it now Jack, a little confusing at first, but I should have just thought it out a little, thanks for the help, I hate not getting it, lol

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                  • #10
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                    50 bucks a game for a little action, too many surprises in week 17 to waste any money

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by jumperjack View Post
                        2 very basic week 17 SDQL's, compare the list of teams, the ones that fit both are pretty strong plays this week IMO. Both are entire database inclusive which I LOVE.

                        https://killersports.com/nfl/query?s...+S+D+Q+L+%21++

                        https://killersports.com/nfl/query?s...+S+D+Q+L+%21++

                        All winners in the early games Jack !

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                        • #13
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                          Chicago didn't cover
                          "The sheer unpredictability of sports is what makes it predictable." Who the hell bets units? I bet money...

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                          • #14
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                            Well that was actually better than I expected at 4-4 , it's a whacky week, 17 is, where surprises abound and today didn't disappoint. I like Riders non nonsensical look at this game and all the trends favoring Seattle and against SF, it's just crazy enough to win



                            Last edited by Thomas; 12-29-2019, 08:01 PM.

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                            • #15
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                              Oh yeah you don't know what he said so here it is from poster Riderx



                              Well, for better or worse, I actually did not make a single play all day long. I was out of sorts.


                              Week 17 has always been a crazy week, & today has been no different. Don't know what will happen tonight but it's hard to bet against this:


                              SF has lost 8 straight in Seat.


                              SF has been a DD-dog in each of the last 4 in Seat.


                              SF lost 43-16 the last time they played in Seat.


                              Seat is 12-1-1 ats as a home dog since 1/2/11


                              Seat is 6-0 ats as a home dog on snf after week 2 & 4-0 s/u


                              Russell Wilson is 3-0 at home vs teams with at least 11-wins


                              Call me stupid but I took:


                              SF-3'...


                              Best of Luck!!!

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