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  1. #2076

    Re: horse plays

    finished
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    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  2. #2077

    Re: horse plays

    Quote Originally Posted by bleeker View Post
    thistledown

    R1 #6 raging saint (6-1)


    indiana grand


    R2 #7 major bluff (15-1)
    R3 #5 regal wildcat (6-1)

    R4 #4 ruling empire (4-5)

    not a bet but if they have show wagering could see bridgejumpers here.. first time starter ridiculous mismatch on pedigree and connections alone..
    I doubt the billionaires at Qatar racing care that the msw purse is about 20k less here vs major tracks

    R6 #4 sureis (3-1)

    sure will be an underlay but looks much better to me

    have to say this was a very bad call.. way I described it he would win easy at 2-5 or less and there'd be a minus show pool.. there was no show betting.. finished 3rd at 4-5 which probably is a bad sign to begin with as morning line 4-5's are supposed to go off much lower.. winner was another first time starter ($27) and to me a real head scratcher
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-15-2018 at 04:08 PM.
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    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  3. #2078

    Re: horse plays

    preakness

    sporting chance

    i'm a long time critic of d wayne lukas and feel since his glory days in the 80's and 90's he does very little with the good stock he gets to work with overall..realize he's had some good ones but not enough imo...according to brisnet stats he is 3/96 in graded stakes and not sure how far that goes back ..pretty awful

    that being said and factoring in the value I'll be getting going to take a shot with him in the preakness..like the fact he is a 575k yearling purchase by dual bc classic winner tiznow..after a solid 2nd in his debut at churchill breaks his maiden in his next race at saratoga..follows that up with a win in the g1 hopefull at 7f knocking heads all the way around on a very fair pace according to brisnet

    without commenting race to race on his 3yo year I feel he has been compromised by multiple factors..bad posts,off tracks and some less than favorable trips..understand he ran on the same day as the derby in the pat day mile and therefore comes back on the same short rest..I'm bucking the negatives (trainer,short rest) and hoping in a small field on what will hopefully be a fast track that he can return to his 2yo form..and what better name for a horse like this anyway
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-15-2018 at 10:06 PM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  4. #2079

    Re: horse plays

    belmont

    R6 #5 scat back (30-1)

    that's it for today
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  5. #2080

    Re: horse plays

    Good post for the preakness bleeker ! You always have some good info. How do you feel with sporting chance if it an off track, maybe some ran in the forecast??

     
     
  6. #2081

    Re: horse plays

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim13 View Post
    Good post for the preakness bleeker ! You always have some good info. How do you feel with sporting chance if it an off track, maybe some ran in the forecast??
    thanks jim...even though I used it as an excuse I don't think it's a huge big deal..would ideally like it to be on a fast surface but as you said it's looking unlikely..his 3 off track races

    1) won the g1 hopefull at saratoga on a good track

    2) his 3yo debut off a 5 month layoff in the southwest at oaklawn ..a decent 3rd with a troubled trip on a muddy track..fine with that


    3) his last race on derby day in the pat day mile..broke from the 11 post on obviously a sloppy track ..finished 4th of 14 and comments "checked at 5/8th and 8 wide "..fine with that effort


    by tiznow out of a candy ride mare
    and both of those are well above average off track sires

    wouldn't hold it as a big strike against if it's an off track
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-16-2018 at 06:54 PM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  7. #2082

    Re: horse plays

    Quote Originally Posted by bleeker View Post
    thanks jim...even though I used it as an excuse I don't think it's a huge big deal..would ideally like it to be on a fast surface but as you said it's looking unlikely..his 3 off track races

    1) won the g1 hopefull at saratoga on a good track

    2) his 3yo debut off a 5 month layoff in the southwest at oaklawn ..a decent 3rd with a troubled trip on a muddy track..fine with that


    3) his last race on derby day in the pat day mile..broke from the 11 post on obviously a sloppy track ..finished 4th of 14 and comments "checked at 5/8th and 8 wide "..fine with that effort


    by tiznow out of a candy ride mare
    and both of those are well above average off track sires

    wouldn't hold it as a big strike against if it's an off track
    bottom line if I were to invest 100 on the race on a dry track i'd knock it down to 70 on a wet track..figuring justify will be around 2-5 and sporting chance around 40-1..

    I will use 100 as an example and if the track is off do about 70% of this..

    sc= sporting chance
    ju=justify
    gm =good magic

    50 win sc
    35 exacta ju/sc
    7 exacta gm/sc
    6 triple ju/gm/sc
    2 triple gm/ju/sc

    100 total

    as a frame of reference i would bet this amount if my average bet on a horse race were about 30-40
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-17-2018 at 07:22 AM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  8. #2083

    Re: horse plays

    Thanks for the info bleeker !! All the talking i keep hearing sound like justify has won the race already lol !! Keep talking with he be able to do the distance at belmont

     
     
  9. #2084

    Re: horse plays

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim13 View Post
    Thanks for the info bleeker !! All the talking i keep hearing sound like justify has won the race already lol !! Keep talking with he be able to do the distance at belmont
    really is a shame though..he's a great horse and you'd like to see him get the chance to run these races on a fast track which looks like it's not happening..supposed to be about 3 inches of rain through saturday
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  10. #2085

    Re: horse plays

    churchill ..5pm post

    R3 #4 grit and glory (4-1)
    R5 #1 tofino (7-2)
    R6 xbox 37
    R8 #3 purimeter (15-1)
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  11. #2086

    Re: horse plays

    pimlico

    R1 #9 my diva (20-1)

    first time starter whose sire is above average off track and out of a stakes placed dam who broke her maiden first time out at santa anita.. solid works leading up to this

    probably not playing much today
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  12. #2087

    Re: horse plays

    post 2082 preakness

    pimlico

    R10 #7 laki (15-1)
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    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  13. #2088

    Re: horse plays

    indiana grand

    R4 #5 promises to keep (6-1)
    R9 #6 sir dagan (9-2)
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  14. #2089

    Re: horse plays

    belmont

    R2 #6 andrea's pride (4-1)
    R5 #2 quaff (12-1)
    R7 #3 flipped (4-1)


    pimlico


    R7 #1 trust the process (10-1)


    churchill.. 5pm

    R1 #6 pure speculation (7-2)
    R8 #9 boru (15-1)

    santa anita

    R8 #8 silver fury (5-1)
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-24-2018 at 06:36 PM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  15. #2090

    Re: horse plays

    finished belmont and also added R7 @ pimlico.. probably look at CD and SA
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  16. #2091

    Re: horse plays

    added churchill
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  17. #2092

    Re: horse plays

    added last at santa anita
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  18. #2093

    Re: horse plays

    belmont

    R2 #9 bagging (5-1)
    R7 #3 lightworker (6-1)
    R9 #5 admission office (6-1)*
    R9 #8 mr discretionary (12-1)*

    * 2 horses in the 9th

    pimlico

    R3 #5 king koa (7-2)
    R9 #4 mischievous star (4-1)

    santa anita

    R8 #9 soft trip (30-1)



    lone star

    R4 #3 of course you can (12-1)




    Last edited by bleeker; 05-25-2018 at 07:49 PM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  19. #2094

    Re: horse plays

    added pimlico
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  20. #2095

    Re: horse plays

    added santa anita R8
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  21. #2096

    Re: horse plays

    added lone star R4.. 9pm
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  22. #2097

    Re: horse plays

    Bleeker boy did the 5 admission office close like a freight train !! May i ask you what did you like about the first time starter ?? Thanks Jim

     
     
  23. #2098

    Re: horse plays

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim13 View Post
    Bleeker boy did the 5 admission office close like a freight train !! May i ask you what did you like about the first time starter ?? Thanks Jim
    sure jim...well start with chad brown who is tremendous at winning first out grass 2 turns.. I know you like the ortiz brothers and with jose he's 11/29 this year.. horse has a big time pedigree.. he's by the sire point of entry who's a son of dynaformer which is good for turf and distance.. out of a royal academy (turf, distance also) mare who's had 5 winners from 6 starters and all 5 won on the turf including 1 stakes winner..the dam production index was very high and I found out after the race that he's a half sibling to a million $ +earner.. he never kills them in the morning so workout times mean little to me..put it all together it's a pretty nice package even by chad's standards
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  24. #2099

    Re: horse plays

    monmouth

    R4 #4 so hot (30-1)
    R5 #4 return of a giant (10-1)
    R6 #7 aqua teen (3-1)
    R13 #5 eastern front (8-1)

    belmont

    R6 #8 fair archer (10-1)
    R10 ##6 causforcelebration (2-1)

    santa anita

    R4 #4 jazaalah (4-1)
    R8 #4 sophie (12-1)
    R9 #7 it's a new year (7-2)
    Last edited by bleeker; 05-26-2018 at 05:01 PM.
    _______________________________________________
    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     
  25. #2100

    Re: horse plays

    finished monmouth
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    ( ) in football are avg ats or ou margin..baseball it's avg odds and run differential for sides and totals..not going to restrict horse plays anymore but I definitely focus on certain types I like better than others

     
     

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